Jacobs Thread

Hey Guys

I think a lot of people are assuming Locke was not special and was Long con'd by the guy who wanted to kill Jacob--and thats it

Well thats not it. The Monster was long con'd by Jacob. It models, in way Christs death.

The Devil con'd the people into destroying the one that would save them(the same answer to the shadow of the statue question). However, before time began, it was always the plan that Christ would die. The Devil believed that killing Christ would prevent him from saving mankind--BUT it was the very act that saved them.

Moses did the same thing. Pharoah ordering the death of every child to prevent the Deliverer from coming-- caused his mother to send that very Deliverer(Moses) down the river into Pharoah's own palace.

Jacob was weaving a thread. He states it started very long ago. He knew he was talking to the Monster. He is hinting his plan pre dates the Monsters. Jacob has been mortal a long long time. He wanted out. He had every chance to placate Ben--yet he invited death by his remarks and did Not defend himself. Jacob is now more than he was.

It is now possible to see where this all started.

Jacob believes Men can achieve progress in their nature. The Monster does not because he is evil. Jacob brings select people to the island to mold them but continues to fail because the monster corrupts(think about the French expedition sickness).

The Idea that Locke is not special comes from the shallow notion of magic and superpowers. When the real special attribute is sacrifice. Lost is a big story and some people can only fit half of it in their minds. Their missing the fact that the other half is Jacob wanted them to return to the island-- and to do that --Locke had to die. Locke was willing to give his life. Thats how he is special and thats how Charlie was special.

When the Monster says, "you have no idea what I had to go through" to get in a position to kill Jacob--he doesnt seem to know that this is all by Jacobs design. Jacob is the one who watched over these people when they were young. Jacob is the one who enlisted Ilana to put Sayid on the plane, discover Lockes body, and urge Hurley to return.

Yes, the Monster, who was pretending to be speaking for Jacob AS Christian, nudged Jack to want to return---but thats what Jacob wanted anyway.

Anyway, I said last week that there were decent clues that Locke was in the crate. The clues being "Dead is Dead", "out of body experience", Richard not knowing what was going on, saying Locke was different, and Locke convieniently disappearing when Ben was judged. Essentially, it was the monster telling Ben to listen to the monster.

The Monster told Locke to move the Island. The monster has Claire. The Monster is the enemy that Jacob and the losties must destroy.

I think Next season begins with them all on 815 and then it crashes into the trench(with Lapedius driving). This is just to compete that cycle and put fear into the audiences mind. I think because Jacob is now more powerful he is able to bring the remaining characters to the present--thats what he meant by "They are coming". I still believe that the original timeline is the plane crashing into the trench. They are all suppose to be dead--thats why Jacob feels he has the right to play with their lives--because they owe him.

Locke Box

I wrote here that because Star Trek NG's finale is Damons favorite episode, in which a future event coupled with a past event causes, well, an incident--that the box contains another bomb that will brought to the Well(shadow of the statue) and blown up--and it will be filmed simultaneously with the past bomb by Jack.

This would mean the incident is not preventable from the Past because it was actually caused by the group from flight 316. An event that flashed back through time to cause the anomaly

This still seems to be most likely.

However, the writers made a big point of suggesting Locke is different in this episode. Now, they may have reinforcing the point that Ben and Richard dont actually know anything. This was slammed home when it was revealed that it was Locke himself who told richard that he must die--and that order actually came from Christian. So the "you look different" may be just a way to show that richard didnt know John died.

But what a twist it would be if John finds his body and then questions who he is really is. The line that really got me thinking was "This must be a real out of body experience" by Ben coupled with the intro where Ben says dead is dead--you dont come back from that.. The clues are there---but it may be a fake just to create speculation though.

Anyway prepare for 815 to crash into the trench, juliet and miles to die, and the entire timeline to get wiped for those in 1977 because it seems to me the most logical end to this seasons story line. Which is Jack's plan always backfires

Daniel knows the future

This shouldnt be be bugging anyone.

The episode was carefully crafted to reveal how he knows.

Watch it again and pay attention to the Main focus of this episode---which was Daniel experimented on himself and has done damage to his brain

Who else damaged their brain?--his girlfriend.

How? Mind Time travel

What other clues? Charlotte uttered the same words in this episode about chocolate that she did when she died. The script is littered, from top to bottom, that Daniel experienced this same phenomenon---its how he wrote in his journal. We are meant to witness that Journal empty and then we see it totally filled and constantly being read by Daniel during the episode.

Get it now?

Daniels mind time traveled into his future body and gained concrete facts about the future. The writers wrote in this memory problem from Daniels very first scene on Lost to account for Daniels freewill. I wrote this in Lostpedia--and 100 dingbats erased it---but Daniel could not recall his name when Jack and Kate first met him--he also exhibited "word searching" when saying his stuff was in his "pack"( a long pause while the mind searches for the write word). So this was planned from day one.

The other huge clue in this episode is confirming the Plane in the trench is REAL. I have been crying this since Naomi crashed on the Island. The scripts keep spilling out clues that widmore planted it and culminated tonight with his confession. Its how you reinforce a lie in the views mind. There is no need to continue talking about the trench plane in episode after episode if it is really fake.

Daniel cries when he sees it because it is real. He was BS'ing Jack. He knows the plane doesnt land in LA. He knows it always suppose to crash in the pacific--thats the REAL timeline. People keep waiting for time to change not realizing the entire show is screaming that time was changed when 815 crashed on the island instead of the pacific.

Daniel cries because during mind time travel he figured this out. However, he doesnt remember due to his condition. But you dont subconsciously cry over a fake plane crash.

As I said in the last blog--a bomb is heading toward the electromagnetism in both timelines. I know Im the first to say this as I read all the forums. Pat pat :)

What lies in the Shadow

Its a common phrase

When it is used it almost always refers to a town or city. Like Denver lies in the shadow of the Rockies. Im surprised most of you have not heard this phrase.

If it is literal it would mean the Orchid. Which would probably mean they are taking the box to the well---to blow up the wheel.

The incident may very well be a future event, possibly an explosion at the Well, the reverberates back through time to where Jack is now. Remember you heard it here first. Damons favorite NG Trek episode is the finale in which a future event, simultaneous with past events cause, well, an incident of sorts.

If it is not literal it could be some sort of mind control phrase to trigger these certain people. Remember Dharma was using these techniques.

That would explain the abrupt change in behavior. Paying attention to script structure. Infection was explicitly mentioned in the script as well as the very hole in which the 80's expedition team was infected. Pay attention to elements of the script and how writers try and create contemplation in the audiences minds. Your suppose to consider infection. It doesnt mean it IS--it just means they want you to consider it when evaluating their very abrupt change of attitude.

What is in the crate may even contain the agent that changed them. If Widmore is in that box that would be the ultimate magic box for him--as that was ALSO highlighted in the episode. This was the best script of the season as most of the writing has been weak and thats why people are tuning out this year. There has been almost nothing to write home about yet..hence the empty blog

Contemplation is the name of the game here --as it is not possible to know what is going on yet but they want our heads spinning with ideas. Please dont forget the Trojan Horse metaphor implied by the book Ben was reading on the plane either. It could be exactly as it appears--a code phrase. But thats a bit too obvious for me and quite frankly a little lame as its already been used with Desmond. Greeks bearing gifts is a nice touch though if Widmore or a modern Jughead is in the box. 2 nuclear explosions--one in the past and one in the future--through time at the well --might be enough to implode into the singularity that seems to exist on the island.

Locke's ressurection foreshadowed

Scroll down and find the analysis of Goodspeed cutting down the tree that kept growing back. I pointed out the meaning of that was ..death has been after Locke even while in his mother womb but he keeps getting back up.

Watch that episode again and then watch the Jeremy Bentham episode. You will see the connection of this very interesting theme